Po startu cca 600 ot. po dobu 10s

[ivo123]

ja mam to iste ako pise SHRAP , nieje sam , poznam este jedneho co im to robi , no nikto nevie co s tym , mne to robi uz asi rok , ci je teplo alebo hlavne zima , tiez ma postrasili ze to moze byt cerpadlom , no nemyslym si , po roku by asi uz davno odislo , potom bol napad este nahrat novsi soft do RJ , no ale teda pockam na SHRAPa ako dopadol

inac ma napadlo ze ked som bol v orig servise FORD na vymene oleja a filtrov tak mi tam dali BOSCH palivovy filter , ci to teda nebude tym

[Fiber]

Mě to asi před 14 dny začalo po startu za studena dělat něco podobnýho. Když nastartuju tak si zakolísaj otáčky ale jen tak lehce (800-1200). Já popojedu a pak se jede asi 300m z kopce a tam to lítá už znatelně, když to nechám na volnoběh (600-1600) a dost nahodile. Za tepla už v pohodě.

[ivo123]

nieco som nasiel na UK fore ST DRIVERS :

Got this sorted. Ford know about this issue. It's when the fuel pump gets a bit old and struggles to make pressure on start up. They still relived me of £70 to fix it mind!!! How nice of them!! Sorted now

ale uz chalan neodpisal co tam vo forde spravili , alev nadpise uviedol - PCM update
tak asi to za tych 70libier nahrali novy soft , lebo inac si neviem predstavit co by za tu cenu chcely opravit na aute ked len 1hod stoji 40eur

[davemomo]

eště jeden tip, bráchanec má 2,0tdci 2004 a popisoval něco podobnýho, posledně mi řikal že odpojil hadičky přepadu a že v tom byl tlak ( což by asi bejt neměl ne?) no připojil to zpátky a auto jak nový, motor prej tichej, studený starty na poho , tak to zkus, to nic nestojí

[ivo123]

a odpojil to od filtra alebo pri tryskach ?

[davemomo]

u vstřiků

[ivo123]

dik vyskusam , uvidime

[shrap]

Odkaz na to UK forum (resp. primo na ten topic) by nebyl? Jinak je to zajimavy info. Zejtra mam jit na diagnostiku do toho diesel servisu, ze prej otestujou postupne vsechno (napred vstriky, pak cerpadlo, prej ho i vyndaj a otestujou jakej dava tlak ...). No maximalni cena za to diagnostikovani je 4500,- ... tak nevim, jestli by nebylo levnejsi pockat, jak dopadne ivo s hadickama, pripadne teda zajet do Forda, aby mi tam udelali update RJ

[ivo123]

tu kukni : http://www.stdrivers.co.uk/forum/forum/ ... l-engines/
su to tam 2 temy nakonci z mojim menom jak tu , ale k nicomu sa tam nedostali , lebo nikdo uz neodpisal nato
zajtra mam toho straaaaaaaašne vela , menim podvozok , geometria , a ked nebude este noc tak aj tie hadicky skusím , uz som ich chcel vcera pred robotou odpojit ale som si povedal ze ma to este necha v robote a som vybaveny ,
s tym update-om RJ , isiel by som ho spravit ale mam CHIP a ked ten update bude pre moju RJ tak mi zmaze CHIP, a nahranie dalsieh chipu ma bude stat 1/2 co som zanho dal , takze s tym este neviem ale vo stvrtok sa to vyriesi snad , prednejsie mi je normalne fungovanie auta nez vykon

[shrap]

Dik.
Dneska jsem dal auto do servisu, tak odpoledne reknu, co si na me vymysleli

[ivo123]

ja som objednany zajtra na ten update , tak sa necham prekvapit ci neaky bude

[ivo123]

toto som nasiel este takze :
JE TO NAOZAJ PROBLEM O KTOROM FORD VIE A TREBA UPDATE RJ , STAVA SA TO PRI STARTOCH KED DAVA CERPADLO SLABY TLAK ,

This is quite a common problem on this engine and is due to additives in the fuel (normally supermarket) lacquering the tips of the injectors causing the minimum drive pulse of the injectors to go out of specification at low fuel rail pressures. Ford issued revised level software for the engine management to try to combat this. The revised software increases the fueling when the engine first starts, you may notice that the engine is slightly noisier with the new software due to the increase in fuel at idle. This in no way has any bearing on the driving of the car.

Ford TSB 34/2006 issued 14/12/06 covers this a copy of which you should be able to obtain from your local dealer, I can't post it here for copyright reasons. Any garage suitably equipped for engine management software updates can do this but I would recommend having it installed using Ford IDS. If after the software is installed the problem still occurs then unfortunately you will need reconditioned injectors. If any injectors are replaced then the correction values for the new injectors will need to be inputted in to the engine management.


a tu je cele znenie orginal FORDu:

TSB no. 34/2006 dated 14th December 2006


"Should a customer express concern about low idle speed (500-700 rpm) and or no throttle repsonse for between 2 second and 3 minutes depending on vehicle, the probable cause is the minimum drive pulse (MDP) of the injectors, which has drifted excessively at low rail pressure (less than 400 bar). This causes a reduction in fuel delivery versus demand and stops the engine reaching the required idle speed in an acceptable time. The PCM does not detect the excessive MDP drift because the strategy does not learn the MDP at the pressures where the problem occurs.

After some time the idle speed will return to normal (800 rpm) and throttle repsonse will be obtained. This concern can occur when the engine is hot or cold. The issue is recurring.

To rectify this concern a new calibration has been released for service which will vary the quantity of fuel demanded during engine cranking in order to reach the idle latch speed in an acceptable time.

• NOTE: Use WDS CD B45 / IDS 46 DVD or a later version.

If the calibration does not fix the starting issue completely it is possible that this is in fact not caused by MDP drift of all injectors but another fault that is causing fuel starvation during cranking. Please carry out the appropriate fuel system tests either using the guided diagnostic tools available on WDS or follow the instructions in section 303-04 of FordEtis."

The TSB further details the original PCM part number and the new calibration part number required for each different model and Euro 3 & Euro 4 versions.

[ivo123]

neska som bol na UPDATE softu , a na 99% to bolo nim , lebo som ho mal stary jak republika , tak uvidime co bude

[davemomo]

a co chip? smazaly se ty mapy?

[ivo123]

jo zmazali , teraz mam verziu softu 2006 , predtym tam bola neaka 2004 verzia , inac sa to da pozret v DENSE , teda kto ho ma , a tam aku ma verziu RJ v servisnom menu , inac , auto aj bez cipu ide urcite lepsie nez pred tym nez som mal chip , a nabuduci tyzden by som mal mat opet nahodeny chip naspet

edit : v tom DENSE to som napisal blbost tam som si to pomilyl s poslednou jeho aktualizaciou